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March 2, 2010

In case you love Amarok 1.4 more than Amarok 2.x

Filed under: Uncategorized — kmi @ 02:46

I just stumbled upon it by accident: Clementine, a port of Amarok 1.4 to Qt 4.
Many features of Amarok 1.4 are missing, so don’t expect a full replacement.

Personally, I keep using Juk – probably the most underrated music player.

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  1. Unfortunately, Juk doesn’t play internet radio streams. Else I would have been using it for years, I guess.

    There’s also a project to keep Amarok 1 itself alive:
    http://pana.bunnies.net/

    Comment by onety-three — March 2, 2010 @ 09:23

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  3. I will take a look to Clementine.
    There’s also Cuberok (http://code.google.com/p/cuberok/), which looks more like Amarok 1.4.

    Comment by rubenmv — March 2, 2010 @ 10:04

  4. I can not understand anymore why people would like to use 1.4. The 2.2.x series allows to have almost identical UI as the 1.4.x had. Only big difference seems to be that you do not have the sidebars on left (what I feel is sad).

    Comment by Fri13 — March 2, 2010 @ 10:35

    • For me, the only thing i miss from the old amarok, is it’s speed. In terms of features and the UI, amarok2 is a great app. But it’s a huge app, takes several seconds to startup and the UI can at times feel a bit sluggish. (Core2 Duo, 2 GHz laptop) I just need my computer to be very responsive, otherwise it annoys the hell out of me.

      Didn’t know clementine and cuberok, will give them a try.

      Comment by Lundgaard — March 2, 2010 @ 11:24

      • Amen. And the fact that it took lots of user complaints until the “Hide context view” option was added at all.

        Comment by Mike — March 3, 2010 @ 18:51

    • For me, it’s still mainly about the user interface. The tasks I do regularly have become much less comfortable. But a little list is in order:
      – Lyrics are either absent or an always-visible (and data-sending) plasmoid. I only want to see them in the few cases where I actually read them.
      – Same goes for context information.
      – Sorting the playlist has gone from one simple click to hitting a tiny button and navigating an oversized context menu (and hitting another tiny button if I want it to be sorted the other way)
      – Searching tracks in my collection is clumsy because the returned hits are often collapsed by default and there’s no setting to change that. Looking through an expanded list is still less pleasant than in Amarok1 because instead of a 2 column layout you just have indents for track names.
      – Navigating between different sources of music (playlists, dynamic playlists, collection view) is very uncomfortable because the breadcrumbs both increase the complexity of the “path” (Amarok1: basically just one vertical tab to select instead of a path) and because, again, they are tiny buttons.
      – Handling of saved playlists, especially for streams, is still clumsy.
      – No smart playlists yet which contain all tracks matching the selected criteria. They better fit my habits and janitorial tasks than dynamic playlists and they’re pretty useful to select the music to put on my mobile music player.

      This is off the top of my head, I’m sure there’s more problems. Some of these will be fixed in time, I guess. Others are fundamental design choices and likely won’t go away.

      Comment by onety-three — March 2, 2010 @ 14:40

      • “- Lyrics are either absent or an always-visible (and data-sending) plasmoid. I only want to see them in the few cases where I actually read them.”

        Check. Just re-arrange the view

        “- Same goes for context information.”

        Check. Just re-arrange the view

        “Sorting the playlist has gone from one simple click to hitting a tiny button and navigating an oversized context menu (and hitting another tiny button if I want it to be sorted the other way)”

        True. It is not easy to sort playlist by time, tracknumber, rating as it would be if you would have top a listview. But I do not need such filtering because I am happy with the possible configration options what are available.

        ” Searching tracks in my collection is clumsy because the returned hits are often collapsed by default and there’s no setting to change that. Looking through an expanded list is still less pleasant than in Amarok1 because instead of a 2 column layout you just have indents for track names.”

        I think the database has some other problems as well. Like possibility to organize by disks. Now Amarok just use Albums as Disks. While Album can have multiple disks on it. Now you need to rename every disk as different album what makes them harder to use on other players. Amarok supports the ID3 tag for CD but it does not use it. There is a wish for it in bugreports and hopefully it will get possible to organize database as Album > CD, instead the Artist > Album.

        ” Navigating between different sources of music (playlists, dynamic playlists, collection view) is very uncomfortable because the breadcrumbs both increase the complexity of the “path” (Amarok1: basically just one vertical tab to select instead of a path) and because, again, they are tiny buttons.”

        True. I dont anymore use those features because they are so badly hidden. I dont know are they anymore so important for me because I use music more like I would handle the physical music collection. i take the CD and put it on the CD-player. I believe most does not do it this way but want to make custom playlists and then Amarok fails on that because it is not so easy to manage playlists (save, load, dynamic etc).

        “- Handling of saved playlists, especially for streams, is still clumsy.”

        That is true. I just checked the 2.2.2.90 version and I was amazed how clumsy it really is to load playlists. You need to go pretty deep in the menu. Nothing like fast way it was on 1.4.x where you had sidepanels. The sidepanels fixed lots of usability problems what breadcrumb does bring, but you seemed to have only negative side that the text was vertically positioned.

        Now I can understand better way why so many does not like 2.x series. If user use lots of “special” features (about playlists etc) then it is much harder. As far I have heard so many complains about the context view. It has be now for good time to be possible hide totally or place on tab etc.

        Comment by Fri13 — March 2, 2010 @ 17:33

      • Replying to myself because there doesn’t seem to be a reply button on Fri13’s post.

        “Check. Just re-arrange the view”
        I guess you’re right about that, moving the plasma area into a tab should mostly fix this. Unfortunately I can’t test because I’m experiencing a major bug right now. But the other stuff is more bothersome anyway:/

        Comment by onety-three — March 3, 2010 @ 10:08

  5. The funny thing is that Clementine is actually missing a lot more Amarok 1.4 features than Amarok 2. Yet, missing features are the thing people accuse Amarok 2 of. So I doubt Clementine will be of any use to those folks.

    I also don’t see why Clementine is not using kdelibs.

    Comment by Kevin Kofler — March 2, 2010 @ 22:11

    • This is the usual thing. One guy blogs something, a bunch of people get excited without really checking whether the project is actually at a state where it could be useful or has obvious flaws, but re-blog it anyway. Then even more people read news about something that is unfinished but somehow is claimed to be a full replacement, and get angry when they check it for themselves.

      Comment by Mike — March 3, 2010 @ 18:54

  6. I don’t see why clementine is not using phonon …

    Comment by STiAT — March 3, 2010 @ 09:23

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  8. Re “KDE caused a storm”: So Suse is proud of having killed a few dozen of people by creating a storm, or how do I have to understand the “humour” in the previous posting that unfortunately already has comments off? Maybe I’m not sarcastic enough yet…

    Comment by andre — March 3, 2010 @ 21:29

    • I was (and still am) playing with options etc., because this is my first real blog and I still need to get to know everything. That’s why comments were off and if you really really want I can enable them — but judging by the visitor numbers on the admin site I don’t think anyone actually cares.
      And if you area actually that sensitive, then I suggest you never talk positively about cars, because waaaay more people are hurt by them any day…

      BTW, I have no affiliation with SUSE (neither with Novell’s subsidiary, nor do I have any official role in the openSUSE project and I don’t aspire to a position there neither), so you can’t turn my comment into an expression of SUSE’s attitude towards natural phenomena. Were you directed here by the hate site Boycott Novell?

      Comment by Markus S. — March 3, 2010 @ 22:20

      • Hmm, you’ve got an interesting point about cars. Thanks, should rethink it…
        And I really prefer to read “Boycott Boycott Novell” instead.🙂

        Comment by andre — March 4, 2010 @ 12:04

  9. It seems to me that Amarok and KDE developers are trying to copy iTunes and other Apple software.
    I feel very sad about the way it has done, because the resulting new version of Amarok* and KDE 4 in general is very poor.
    They dropped very good previous releases features and they focused coping the Apple’s the look and feel.
    I use Linux in many computers, for me is more important to have a straight forward GUI with well known widgets that a very beautiful one but difficult to use and without features I used to use.

    I don’t understand why the tried to reinvent the wheel…
    The KDE’s regression is too big so I will switch to Gnome, and I am very sad about dropping KDE, I have been using for many years.

    * I have been testing the Amarok 2.3.2

    Comment by Bob — April 13, 2011 @ 09:31


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